My two cents

Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:57 PM
What a Clusterfuck. That is what I think when I look at the developing Hirsi Ali situation. The whole day has been a parade of clowns politicians twisting and turning to either save face or using this to their advantage.

A brief summary for those of you living under a rock: Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the controversial conservative Dutch MP lied when she applied for asylum. The members of her party, the VVD, knew that when she became a member 3 years ago. Minister for immigration Rita Verdonk also knew that (though as per usual she is denying that). A documentary on Ali's alleged lies aired last week made Iron Rita suddenly decide to investigate and subsequently revoke Ali's Dutch nationality.

It is like a competition for the most dishonest, incompetent politician. And we have a few winners (I actually had to make up categories to accomodate them all):

The award for opportunism goes to:
Ms Verdonk who, in her quest to win the VVD party elections, will stop at nothing to prove she is rock hard and unwavering.
Runner-up: Mr Nawijn, former minister of immigration, for his impish triumphalism, and smiling at the prospect of sending more colleagues away like this.

The award for hypocrisy goes to:
D66 MP Ms Van der Laan, chastising the VVD for a harsh policy on asylum seekers, a policy that D66 ratified and supports by being part of government.

The award for general rambling nuttery goes to:
Mr Geert Wilders blaming everything on the leftist church, the pure Islam and the political elite (really now, who else...).

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# re: My two cents

5/17/2006 10:20 AM by Marduk
I haven't seen Wilders' response, but why am I not suprised? ;-)

# re: My two cents

5/17/2006 11:09 AM by Camaleonte
I cannot believe it!!
First of all I want to thank you for keeping us (and specially me) up to date with those politic facts.
I cannot read Dutch and I am away from the every day important facts since I am in NL (PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.... don't tell Ms Verdonk or she will revoke my EU citizenship!!)


So let me understand:
- A woman got her passport.
- She became member of the Tweede Kamer (the Lower House of the Netherlands)
- She is under life risk and for this reason she is permanently protected
- she is a movie maker
- She made a movie with Theo Van Gogh

And now she is INVESTIGATED???


Even if she lied when she applied for asylum, it never came in 'your' mind she had a good reason for it?
As a little reminder, some of the most important thing that have happened in history, did not necessarely (if not certainly) happen in a clear light!

Lies are somtimes necessary to achieve what would be impossible to achieve being too honest! (governments lie to us every day BTW)

Lets try to go back in time when Ayaan arrived and got the Passport and all the rest... if she said no lies, would she get the Passport?
And would she had the chance to be in the Tweede Kamer? and rais her voice to denaunce some facts?

Ms Verdonk, look like you feel like the Charles Bronson (I hope I don't meet you at night)
Ms Verdonk, did you ever lie for a good cause?
All this look like the fighting WindMills!

DETAILS:
Hirsi Ali lied about her real name, her age and the country she arrived from. She had informed the public about these facts as early as September 2002 in an interview in the political magazine HP/De Tijd. Media speculation arose that she could lose her Dutch Citizenship because of this 'identity fraud', rendering her ineligible for Parliament. In a first reaction Minister Rita Verdonk [15] said she would not look into the matter, but after Member of Parliament Hilbrand Nawijn insisted (member of Lijst Pim Fortuyn till June ), she declared that she would investigate Hirsi Ali's naturalisation process. This investigation took three days.

I am glad to know that she does however still have her residency permit, which was granted in 1992. It is unlikely that her permit will be taken away from her.

Hirsi Ali is currently working on a successor to "Submission", which will probably deal with the position of homosexuals in Islam.

In January 2004, Hirsi Ali was awarded the Prize of Liberty by Nova Civitas, a classical liberal thinktank in the Low Countries.

On November 20, 2004 Ayaan Hirsi Ali was awarded Denmark's Liberal Party’s Freedom Prize (largest party of Denmark and part of the ruling coalition) "for her work to further freedom of speech and the rights of women".

On February 25, 2005 she was given the Harriet Freezerring by Cisca Dresselhuys, editor of the feminist magazine Opzij, "for her work for the emancipation of Islamic women".

According to the American Time Magazine of April 18, 2005 she was amongst the 100 Most Influential Persons of the World.

In June 2005, Hirsi Ali was awarded by the Norwegian Political Think Tank, Human Rights Service (HRS), with the annual Prize, This Year's European Bellwether. According to HRS, Hirsi Ali is “beyond a doubt, the leading European politician in the field of integration.

Hirsi Ali was voted European of the Year for 2006 by the European editors of Reader's Digest magazine

On May 4, 2006, Hirsi Ali accepted the Moral Courage Award from the American Jewish Committee.

The Norwegian member of parliament Christian Tybring-Gjedde has nominated Hirsi Ali as candidate for Nobel Peace Prize of 2006.

WOW
The Netherlands is loosing somthing here!

[all this I said is not related to my politic tendencies at all but purely objective]

This is for all of us that needs to know more who is Ayaan... and maybe is useful for Ritina (or Ritona) as well:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali pronunciation (help·info) (born Ayaan Hirsi Magan 13 November 1969) is a Dutch feminist and former politician. Born in Mogadishu, Somalia, Ali was a member of the Tweede Kamer (the Lower House of the Netherlands) for the VVD from January 30, 2003 until May 16, 2006. She is a prominent and often controversial author, film maker and critic of Islam. Although she has received a Dutch passport in the past, Dutch Minister of Immigration Rita Verdonk declared on May 15, 2006 that Hirsi Ali's Dutch citizenship was invalid and, unless proved otherwise, she would lose her status as a citizen within six weeks. Hirsi Ali had already suggested she may move to the United States after she was subjected to a court injunction evicting her from her home, after her neighbors sued on grounds that her presence exposed them to the risk of a terroristic attack, although the police had testified in court that it was one of the safest places in the country due to the many personnel they had assigned there.

In 2002, Hirsi Ali admitted that she had lied about her name, her age, and the manner in which she came to the Netherlands. According to the newspaper Volkskrant, Hirsi Ali now plans to move to the U.S. and "start working for the conservative American Enterprise Institute in September after reaching a deal with U.S. authorities about her security."

Hirsi Ali has had to maintain a high level of security due to threats against her life for voicing views critical to certain aspects of Islam. For example, her film Submission, directed by Theo van Gogh, made her one of the targets of the Hofstad Network.

The complete article on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali

Sorry for the long article but I thought it was important!

# re: My two cents

5/17/2006 11:13 AM by Camaleonte
Apologize for posting twice (not sure how did it happen!)
Sorunume, please, delete one of the 2.

Little addendum:
I said: Hilbrand Nawijn insisted (member of Lijst Pim Fortuyn till June )

I missed the Year: June

# re: My two cents

5/17/2006 11:15 AM by Camaleonte
LoL
somehow that year does not want to come out!!

JUNE 2005

:-)

# re: My two cents

5/17/2006 11:45 AM by Camaleonte
One more interesting link...
Read some of the motivations for Hirsi to move to NL and most probably, for lieing to get the Passport:
I am now a member of parliament for the Liberal Party. My subjects - my portfolio - include the migration of non-Western migrants to the Netherlands, the emancipation of women, and development aid to developing countries.
...
If I were to say the things that I say now in the Dutch Parliament in Somalia, I would be killed.
...
The all article on: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3322399.stm

# re: My two cents

5/17/2006 12:29 PM by Akufu
Yes, NL is losing something alright... Not the least of which is respect abroad. Most people who read about this in international newspapers will scratch their heads and wonder what made the Dutch go mad (again).

See here for some basic news coverage:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195635,00.html

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1194675,00.html

# re: My two cents

5/17/2006 1:30 PM by Akufu
@Marduk: If you want you can read Wilders' statement on his site,

http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=442&Itemid=71

# re: My two cents

5/17/2006 1:48 PM by Marduk
Thanks.

And what a load of bollock by the way, but hey, what else to expect from the nation's blondest islamophobe?

# re: My two cents

5/17/2006 11:09 PM by mark
Clusterfuck? :-)

Off topic: Simpsons on creationism
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/05/the_simpsons_an.html

# re: My two cents

5/18/2006 12:05 AM by Akufu
Yes, I believe it is essential to use the correct scientific terminology for events like this.

thanks for the link, I enjoyed it!

# re: My two cents

5/19/2006 10:15 AM by Camaleonte
Its a pity that this conversation just fade out... and its a pity that I hear very little noice amonge people.

What happen to our values?
And what we do about it?

Well... I guess there was only one romantic revolutionary in this world.. and he died!

No one else fights for anything that does not directly concern him/her.

Men redemption is Men cooperation!

# re: My two cents

5/19/2006 8:58 PM by mark
"I guess there was only one romantic revolutionary in this world.. and he died!"

Don Quichotte?

# re: My two cents

5/21/2006 3:21 PM by Camaleonte
Actually Don Quichotte was mole likely a a fighter for lost causes.. ( could call Verdonk that way LoL).

I was referring to the Che Guevara, The Argentinian revolutionary that fought for just ideology.

One of the last person that fought for values... and not even for his country!

But this is yet an other story. We far from it!

:-(

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